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Report On 19th Century Murnanes in County Limerick
Just returned from four weeks in Ireland and a few days researching in the Emly area of Tipperary and the Knocklong/Hospital/Kilteely areas of Limerick. Since I knew Johanna Murnane (my g-g-grandmother) had been from Dromcomogue (south of Emly a mile or two), I started there by hailing men walking on the road. After three referrals, I came to Jimmy Ryan who has, as you will see below, a close connection with the Murnane family.
Here is his story:
Around 1850, James Murnane (Johanna's father) was a tenant farmer of 14 acres or so in the Townland of Dromcomogue, and paid his rents to John Ryan, Esq. at Scarteen (where the black and tan hounds originated) who was a sub-tenant to the Earl of Normanton.
"Thaddeus Ryan of Ballyvistea, the founder of the [Ryan] family [in the Parish of Emly] was born in 1642...and died in 1740.... [His] son John was born in 1699...[and John's] son Thaddeus was born in 1760.... Thaddeus Ryan went to live in Scarteen about 1798. The Black and Tan hounds also moved from Ballyvistea to Scarteen at the same time.... The Ryan family continued to lease land in Emly including Ballyvistea from the O'Grady family. In the 1816 rent book of the Earl of Normanton, T. R. Ryan paid 517 [pounds] as rent for Ballynaveen and 609 [pounds] for Dromcomogue and part of Ballholohan. In the 1854 rental they paid 2162 [pounds] rent for all of the above land.... It mentions in the 1854 rental that John Ryan and his father were never in arrears until 1848.
They became undertenants and middlemen for the Earl of Normanton for Ballyvistea, Ballyholohan, Ballnaveen, Dromcomogue.... Thaddeus Ryan died in 1843. His son John was born in 1800...and died in 1863." (From a history of Emly by Michael and Liam O'Dwyer)
James Marnane was a prosperous tenant farmer (paying rents to John Ryan, Esq. mentioned in the previous paragraph) and he built himself a large, two-storied stone house in the Townland of Dromcomogue. Stone was not plentiful in the area and so it had to be quarried near Knocklong and then carted about 3 miles to the site. Many neighbors and farmers helped carry the stones from the quarry, and the family built the house themselves. It had two rooms down, and two rooms up. It would have been during this time that Johanna would have been born and raised on this farm in Dromcomogue.
While living in Dromcomogue, James and his brother Philip erected a stone in memory of their mother and father. Thomas and Ellen Murnane apparently lived and died in Hospital, County Limerick. The stone is located in Hospital next to the ruins of the Knights Templar church that was built in 1215. The inscription reads: "Erected by James & Philip Marnane of Dromcomogue in memory of their father Thomas Marnane who dep[art]ed this life March 10th, 1792, aged 48. Also his wife Eln [sic] Marnane [who] dep[art]ed this life Nov 1st, 1821, aged 60 years. Requiescat in Pace. Amen."
This stone leads us to think that James and Philip may have been born and raised in the Hospital area of Limerick. However a railroad was being built along the Dromcomogue River at that time around 1855 (after Johanna had married, had her first three children and emigrated to America), and there was a man by the name of Thomas Raleigh who owned some land in Ballyholohan that backed up on the railroad right of way. Apparently this new railroad cut Raleigh's land up in such a way that he lost most of it. He went to John Ryan the Landlord and asked could he have the land that James Murnane was living on to "square up" his property. For whatever reason, John Ryan agreed, and James and the rest of his family were evicted overnight and Thomas Raleigh took over the farmstead in Dromcomogue.
The eviction occurred quickly and James found himself and his family on the road with no where to go. When he saw them standing there, Michael Ryan (Jimmy Ryan's great grandfather), who lived next just down the road towards Knocklong in Ballinvreena, gave James and his family a small field on which they could live. The field may have been two or three acres, and there James built a mud-wall cabin for his family to live in. The house was built of mud. After the top soil had been removed, there is a yellow clay that is easy to shape. The walls of the cabin were built up with this, often with great thickness, up to six feet. Then the walls were plastered with a combination of lime and sand; finally the walls were whitewashed. The roof of the cabin would have been thatched. To support himself, he raised a cow or two and grew potatoes, but he also began coopering (making barrels). He became quite good at his new trade, and apparently farmers came from all over to buy his barrels (perhaps in sympathy with his plight?).
After he died, his little farmstead passed on to his son James, and after him, to his sons James, Jack and Thomas. After the coopering business began to go bad, the boys worked on the Kilrush estates nearby, and it was perhaps here that Jack became interested in gardening. James died in the 1940's and Jack was still alive in 1964, both of them bachelors; Thomas too died without marrying. Jack, however, knew the history of the little farm on which they lived and how the Murnane's came by it after the eviction of his grandfather. So he went to James Ryan (Jimmy Ryan's grandfather) and said to him that the land rightfully belonged to the Ryan family. Since there were no Murnane heirs, he wanted the land to go back to its rightful owners. And so, an agreement was reached with Jimmy Ryan's grandfather that he would pay the Murnanes a sum of money with the understanding that after they died, the land would become his. Jack lived the longest of the three brothers, well on into his eighties, and as he grew older, when he was strapped for cash, he would go to Michael Ryan, Jimmy's father, and he would give him a little "against the land".
Today, the original Murnane farmstead and the stone house have been completely eradicated. However, pictures of the ruins from 1985 are available. And the little 3-acre Murnane homestead has been re-incorporated into the Ryan farm. No trace of the mud-wall cabin exists, but the field in which they lived is still called in the area "Murnane's field."
After this remarkable story, we visited Father Rochford who was most gracious. We asked whether we might attend mass while in the area and he said yes, but the church was being painted and so we would have to attend in the church hall. The church hall, it turns out, was the original RC church and would have been the church in which Darby and
Johanna had been married. After mass, Father Rochford showed us the chalice, which was engraved--it was a gift from the priest of the parish in 1830--and so this chalice would likely have been used at the mass for Darby and Johanna.
More research later in Kilteely on the O'Deas, but won't include that here. Just thought you would like to hear the story of James Murnane.
Dennis Day
dmday@facstaff.wisc.edu
October 20, 1998
Dennis,
Thanks very much for this interesting contribution. I hope all Murnanes/Marnanes enjoy it as I did.
Still Searching for Katherine "Kitty" Murnan
Still looking for the family of my great-grandmother, KATHERINE "KITTY" MURNAN. Since I wrote last, I have learned that she was born in the mid-1800's, though I still do not know where she was born. She was living in Chicago when she met and married my great-grandfather, GEORGE FRANCIS "FRANK" EGAN, Sr. With the help of their children, they built a huge house in what is now downtown Chicago, which at one point they ran as a "Bed and Breakfast" type tourist home. They had six children, five of whom lived to adulthood: GEORGE FRANCIS "FRANK" EGAN, JR., who married EMILY ISABELLE MARY ROSE BIGGS (how's that for a name!), who were my grandparents; FLORENCE, who died in infancy; another FLORENCE, who married BENJAMIN McGOVERN; MARIE, who married GEORGE DUMAIS (they both worked for the railroad); BERNARD, who died of illness in Texas while training for service in WWI; and WALTER.
If any of this sounds familiar to ANYONE, I would love to hear from you. Many thanks for any help you can offer. (P.S. I have the address for the big house. If anyone is able to check the Chicago land records, maybe it would offer a clue. The house was located at 1414 W. 95th St., at the corner of 95th and Loomis, in Chicago.) Thanks again.
Susan (Egan) Wyatt
Atlanta, Georgia
sdwyatt@themastersnet.com
October 20, 1998
Finally, A Report On The Marnane Guest House and Riding Center In Tipperary
Dear Ed,
I wrote to you back in July about an article I was doing about Bansha House.
Well, not only is it out, it's on the Net! The newspaper has a website. Look here: http://www.horse-news.com/html/feature3.htm
and let me know what you think.
Bonnie Slotnick
bonnie_slotnick@rebus.com
Bonnie,
Great job, and thanks for sharing it. In addition to the link above, we will link to it from the Murnane Guest House in Tipperary connection on the second page of this site.
For those who don’t know, Bansha House is operated by cousins of mine, John and Mary Marnane. Their son, Con Marnane, operates the riding center.
Ed Murnane
Where Are the Jackson, Michigan Murnanes?
I looked at your Murnane web site and it is well done - beautiful. You do not have any information on Dennis Murnane and his descendants of Jackson and Washtenau Counties, Michigan, that I could find. I'm using Dennis Murnane as a source of information on my great-great-granddad, John Donahue, who jointly with Dennis Murnane purchased farm land in Jackson County, Michigan, in 1838. I suspect that these two men came to America together and if I find out more about Dennis, John will come to the fore also. A son of Dennis Murnane married a Mary McEntee of Washtenau County and I'm related to this McEntee family also. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
Earl F. Kisling
San Pablo, California
Cloudhoper@aol.com
October 20, 1998
Ellen Murnane of Bantry, County Cork
This is a follow-up to a posting of almost a year ago. We recently found a page from my Grandfather's address book from circa 1970. It contains the following address: Ellen Murnane, Coomanore, Bantry, County Cork.
Unfortunately, again, I do not know what her relationship was to my Grandmother, but obviously there was some connection. Perhaps someone on the board will recognize the name and town and be able to make the connection.
BTW, I think the difficulties that many of us are having in tracing our roots should demonstrate the importance of documenting current relationships as well. We all, I suppose, take our in-laws and cousins for granted and assume (incorrectly) that everybody will know who's who in 25-years. Speaking from my own experience (and our family is rather small), this is not the case.
When people move and contact is not maintained, memories dim rather quickly; and when those who have the connections in their head pass on, too much is irretrievably lost. Document everything and keep them it in a safe place so that our grandchildren and great-grandchildren do not have similar difficulties. Sorry for the editorializing; you may edit this out or paraphrase it as necessary.
Dennis J. Lynch
djeff77@msn.com
October 20, 1998
Greetings from Eastern Canada
By chance I just discovered your interesting web site. You are certainly thorough in your search! A hobby of mine has been to do much the same for the Harrigan surname- I have been accumulating information about anyone, related or not, who was born or adopted with the surname. Many of our ancestors also came from County Cork. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that I enjoyed your site, will look at it in more detail, and perhaps it can serve as a good example of what I might try to do for our surname.
Wayne Harrigan
wbharrig@nb.sympatico.ca
August 24, 1998
Civil War information on Michael Murnane
(Note: The following posting includes two messages; one from Jay Murnane, and one from Tim Murnane of Upstate New York. If you can’t understand how the messages connect, e-mail one or both of them, of e-mail this website.)
Dear Ed and Tim,
I received a letter (kept no records, so sorry...antedated your website and this great opportunity to communicate) from someone I believe was from Ohio - not a Murnane – and was simultaneously contacting both the Troy (New York) Public Library and the Rensselaer County Historical Society. I would suggest that you contact (local Civil War era historian) Michael Barrett at 518.272.0324, and also Dawn Reger (her family has spent a lot of time and energy trying to locate their Michael Murnane): reger@sprynet.com
Hope you all are well; may beauty and balance accompany you.
Jay Murnane
murnaj@rpi.edu
August 24, 1998
To Ed and Jay,
My brother Joe is asking for help from both of you in trying to determine whom he had spoken to about a Civil War sword with the name Michael Murnane (from Troy, New York) on it. He, like myself, is getting old and sometimes we do not put all of our sources down when we hear information on the Murnanes. The following information is from Joe and we would like to make contact with the individual who had this information: Someone has a Civil War sword inscribed with the name of Michael Murnane of Troy, New York. We are looking for information on Michael, and we are trying to locate the person who has the sword.
Joe has this information on Michael Murnane: He was age 27, of Troy, New York, and enrolled in the 169th Regiment Infantry, which was known as the Troy Regiment. He was there for three years, around 1862. He was Captain of Company "I", also known as the "Nail Factory Company."
He served in the 169th Regiment, Abercombie’s Division, in Washington, D.C. defensesuntil 1863. Civil War pension records show Michael's dependents as Peter Murnane. A claim was filed October 17, 1891. Peter is listed as a WIDOW, (in pension claim, area was filled in for WIDOW)??
Michael was listed in the 1863 Troy City and Lansingburgh Directory: "169th Regiment House, Green (St.?) near Hutton "
The source of most of information is "New York in the War of the Rebellion, 1861 – 1865," copyright 1912.
Thanks for whatever help anyone can supply.
Tim Murnane
TMurnane77@aol.com
August 24, 1998
More Information About Ellen Murnane of Bantry
This is a follow-up to a posting of almost a year ago. We recently found a page from my Grandfather's address book from circa 1970. It contains the following address: Ellen Murnane, Coomanore, Bantry, County Cork.
Unfortunately, again, I do not know what her relationship was to my Grandmother, but obviously there was some connection. Perhaps someone on the Bulletin Board will recognize the name and town and be able to make the connection.
By the way, I think the difficulties that many of us are having in tracing our roots should demonstrate the importance of documenting current relationships as well. We all, I suppose, take our in-laws and cousins for granted and assume (incorrectly) that everybody will know who's who in 25-years. Speaking from my own experience (and our family is rather small), this is not the case. When people move and contact is not maintained, memories dim rather quickly; and when those who have the connections in their head pass on, too much is irretrievably lost. Document everything and keep them it in a safe place so that our grandchildren and great-grandchildren do not have similar difficulties. Sorry for the editorializing
Dennis J. Lynch
djeff77@msn.com
August 24, 1998
A County Clare Murnane Connection
Was just going through some of my Crowe material when I came across the following information.
Source: Parish of Killaloe Catholic Church Register, County Clare.
Timothy Crowe married Matilda Murnane
Children:
John Crowe, born April 18, 1870;
Cornelius Crowe, born July 22, 1873;
James Crowe, born December 27, 1874;
Mary Kate Crowe, born August 20, 1876;
Patrick Crowe, born August 21, 1877;
Tim Crowe, born July 7, 1879;
Michael Crowe, born November 27, 1880.
I hope this information may be of some help to someone.
Kerin & Jan Crowe
kerinf@standard.net.au
August 20, 1998
Looking For Murnanes of Michigan Information
I looked at your Murnane web site and it is well done - beautiful. You do not have any information on Dennis Murnane and his descendants of Jackson and Washtenau Counties, Michigan that I could find. I'm using Dennis Murnane as a source of information on my Great-great-grandfather, John Donahue, who jointly with Dennis
Murnane purchased farmland in Jackson County, Michigan in 1838.
I suspect that these two men came to America together and if I find out more about Dennis, John will come to the fore also. A son of Dennis Murnane married a Mary McEntee of Washtenau County and I'm related to this McEntee family also. Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Earl F. Kisling,
San Pablo, California
Cloudhoper@aol.com
August 20, 1998
A New Murnane in Chicago
Hi,
My name is James Andrew Murnane, a recent transplant to Chicago from Albany, New York. I just wanted to let you know that there's an as-of-yet new piece of the puzzle to be added soon. One of the family researchers, Joyce Murnane (my mother), is documenting our side of things. I showed her a printout of the bulletin board (yes, printout) but no connections were recognized. I was a little surprised since our local clan consisted of more than a few Murnanes.
Our Murnane family extends from Albany to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to Providence, Rhode Island to Saudi Arabia (!) and now to Chicago. Hopefully we'll establish a link.
Best of luck to you and I'll let you know what we dig up!
Jim Murnane
JimMurnane@aol.com
August 3, 1998
Still Looking For Patrick Murnane
I am still looking for anyone who can help me find the missing piece to my Murnane puzzle. I am trying to find info on a Patrick Murnane, born September, 1859 in Ireland and died April 5, 1890 in Rhode Island. He was married to Margaret Mahar in Providence, Rhode Island in 1883. She died in 1888. They had three children: James, Margaret, and another daughter.
Patrick's parents according to records were Cornelius and Margaret (?).
Anyone with any links?
Thanks
LJurgilewi@aol.com
August 3, 1998
Indiana Murnans Say Hello
I would like thank you for the Murnan website. I was really excited when I found it. Most people have never heard it and can't pronounce it!
I am very proud to be a Murnan. I was born Geraldine Lee Murnan March 3 1943 in Portland, Jay County, Indiana, daughter of Robert Clair Murnan (born September 10, 1908, Hancock County, Indiana, died January 26, 1993,) and Mary Irene Tullis (born March 7, 1915.)
My ancestors were:
Charles Murnan (born May 23,1874, Fountaintown, Moral Township, Shelby County, Indiana; died March 20, 1949, same place);
He married Nancy Frances Thompson (born April 20, 1872, Floyd County, Virginia; died August 25, 1913, Fountaintown, Moral Towwnship, Shelby County, Indiana).
David Murnan (born February 9, 1848, Brandywine Township, Hancock County, Indiana; died August 21, 1915, Van Buren Township, Shelby County, Indiana);
He married Ruth A. Wilkinson (born April 12, 1852, Shelby County, Indiana; died May 17, 1918, same place).
John Murnan (born abt 1802, Campbell County, Kentucky;)
He married Elizabeth Murnan (born September 6, 1817 in Campbell County, Kentucky; died February 19, 1879, Indiana).
John Murnan's parents were Michael Murnan and Jane Simpson
Elizabeth Murnan's parents were William Murnan and Agnes Cones.
I have more information to share if anyone is working on this line.
Gerry DelRio
gdelrio@mediaone.net
August 3, 1998
Still Looking For Hugh Murnane of Connecticut;
Also, Some Information About John and Maria Murnane
I emailed you in October of last year with my Murnane of Connecticut-New York information. I'm at a dead end researching my g-g-g Grandfather, Hugh Murnane born about 1835 in Ireland, and died November 16, 1873 in Bridgeport, Connecticut. I know the date of his death through cemetery records, but can't locate a death record. I don't where in Ireland he's from, his parents or siblings. I'm guessing he might be from County Cork because his wife, Elizabeth Ahern is from Cork.
While searching through obits, birth & death records, and probate records, I came across the following "miscellaneous" Murnane info. Although I couldn't tie this info into my personal search, I thought you might be interested in having it...
1. John Murnane, born 1856 in ? Ireland, died January 2, 1904 in Bridgeport, Connecticut.Parents? Obit states he came from Ireland "when he was young".
2. Maria Murnane, born 1854 in ? Ireland, died July 22, 1894 in Bridgeport Connecticut. Per probate records, her only next of kin was a sister, Ellen Murnane whose residence was Bruff, Limerick.
Deb
Geneal4@aol.com
August 3, 1998
Looking For James Murnane and Johanna
Collins (Limerick) Connection
Have discovered this great Murnane site recently.
I am looking for the parents of a James Murnane who married a Johanna Collins/Collinge in Limerick, Ireland, date unknown. On Johanna’s Death Certificate in 1895, listed as aged 65 years at Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia. It was listed she was 22 years old when married to James Murnane.
Children of that marriage were Jeremiah, born about 1854; Patrick about 1856; Ellen about 1858.
James Murnane was born about 1837. December? Where ?. Johanna Collins/Collinge Murnane was born about 1830? Married about 1852? Deceased in 1895? in Australia.
Johanna remarried a Jeremiah Ryan of Limerick. Ireland in 1859 at Limerick. Information was taken from the birth certificate of their daughter, Johanah, born in Australia.
With all the Jeremiahs, Patricks, Ellens & Johannas, I hope I have it correct. Hoping someone somewhere can help.
Lucy Toohey
kltoohey@standard.net.au
August 3, 1998
Tim Murnane Returns From Ireland Visit
Well, I'm back from my trip. I had a great time. I could probably write an essay about my trip, but I will keep it short.
I visited lots of family in Cork and Kerry. I did not have much time to travel outside those counties, except for driving to and from Shannon Airport. I did a lot of research. I visited Nora Hickey in Kinsale. I visited the house and farm where both my grandfather (Murnane) and grandmother (Lucey) were born.
I met lots of folks who knew my family and my father saw old buddies that he hadn't seen in almost 20 years. I went to the Courthouse in Skibbereen to get BMD certificates. I visited Father Michael O'Donovan in Dromore, Bantry and found out that we
are related through the Luceys. What a small world. I had no luck finding any of my relatives in the Caheragh cemetery. It was in such bad shape and I could not find anyone old enough who would know what section of the cemetery they were buried in anyway.
I went to my father’s old homeplace in which he left over 37 years ago. I went to see a senior football match in Clonakilty. My father’s old parish of Castlehaven played Skibbereen and Castlehaven won that match.
I did all the tourist things as well: The Ring of Kerry, Ross Castle, Muckross House/Abbey, Blarney Castle, Mizzen Head, etc.
I will close by saying that I am planning to go again in the year 2000 and I am looking forward to it.
Tim Murnane
timothy.murnane@citicorp.com
August 3, 1998
Australia-New Zealand Improvements Coming:
Paul Murnane, our Murnane authority in Australia, and I have had several exchanges recently concerning ways to improve the Australian (and New Zealand) sectios of the website. About half - some weeks even more - of the visitors to the site are from "down under," and that only includes those whose internet connections shows the tell-tale .au or .nz. It does not include others who use another commercial service. We are hoping to make the Australian-New Zealand connections easier, and we hope to make the A-NZ section of the website more useful to those of you who are regular visitors.
We hope to make these changes by the end of summer (in the Northern Hemisphere, that is!)
Thanks to all for your continued interest and willingness to share information.
Ed Murnane
Emurnane@murnane.org
July 20, 1998
Hey I'M A MURNANE
Hello,
My name is Sean Patrick Murnane and I live in Lancaster, Ohio, formerly from Columbus. I visited your website recently. I am 14 and the youngest of 4 in my family. My dad's name is Patrick Joseph, oldest son of Joseph Daniel, (deceased 1987). Mother is Helen C. Murphy Murnane. . You may have talked to my uncle Thomas D. Murnane in Dublin, Ohio. I am looking forward to you updating your website.
Sean P. Murnane
seanm4@mindspring.com
July 20, 1998
Murnanes of Troy, New York
Looking for more information on Michael Murnane
I found your web site through Jay Murnane of Troy, New York. What a treat! I am searching for more information on Michael Murnane, my great, great grandfather. My mother and I have done a great deal of research on Michael. We spent an entire winter going through local records and writing away to Washington for government records. My aunt hired a research company in Dublin in hopes of making a link to Ireland before she and her husband traveled there. They (the research company) seem to think they located the right "Michael Murnane" but there are discrepancies that we can't work out. We learned: Three brothers, James Murnane (1833 - 1901), Michael Murnane (1842 - 1885) and Dennis Murnane (1850 - 1889) immigrated to the New World around 1860. They were the children of a John Murnane and Ann Murnane.
We know Michael was married about 1865 either in Brooklyn, New York or New York City to a Catherine O'Haloran (1846 - 1889) who was born in Ireland, the daughter of Michael and Mary O'Haloran. About that same time he joined the Navy and was in the Civil War from April, 1865 to May, 1868. He was 25 years old at the time of his enlistment. He served on three Ships, "The North Carolina," "The Vanderbilt" and "The Suwanee" before being discharged from California. We wonder how he ever made his way back to the East Coast!
They had six children: Johnny, Mamie, Margaret, Nellie, Catherine and Annie. At some point Michael brought his family to Troy, New York where his brothers James and Dennis had settled. Michael died of pneumonia at the age of 45 and his wife died five years later. The US Census of 1860 shows James living in Troy; it lists him as 28 years old and married to MaryAnn, age 26. They had several children. Dennis, the other brother, had a wood yard in Troy and delivered wood in a wagon which had the phrase "Murnane from Clare" painted on the back. This is our only clue that they had come from County Clare! My mother's grandmother often mentioned that wagon. Now here's the confusion: neither the records from the Newmarket on Fergus Catholic Church or the info sent from Hibernian Research (their source also being the church, it seems) show Michael to have these brothers James and Dennis but rather list siblings to be a John and a Martin and a Patrick! My mother and her sister never heard their grandmother mention them.
However a Martin Murnane (d. 1889) and a Patrick Murnane (d. 1904) are buried in the same cemetery in Troy, New York as Michael!
The other discrepancy is Michael's birthday. We know it was 1842 and church records show 1834, an 8 year discrepancy. Can you throw any light on this mystery? If it is the same Michael why don't brothers James and Dennis show up in the church records?
I have communicated with Tim Murnane and forwarded information to him (his name having been given to us by Jay Murnane) So happy to have found you and looking forward to hearing from you.
Dawn Reger
reger@sprynet.com
July 20, 1998
Still Searching For Patrick Murnane of Cork
Glad to see that you had such a wonderful trip to Ireland. I hope to follow someday after I have more information to go on. Did you learn anything new on how to search for relatives in Cork? With a name like Patrick Murnane and only the information that a son William was born to him on 14 July 1847 in County Cork, I think I'm losing hope of ever finding anything more. I've searched the Murnane website (and it just keeps getting better!) for ages now, and not one hint of information on this particular Patrick.
But I'll keep trying! Thanks for all you do to get these Murnanes matched.
Sally Steele
sally.steele@ashland.k12.or.us
July 20, 1998
Sorry for the month-long hiatus. We had intended to be inactive for only a few weeks while we were visiting family and friends in Ireland, but some job-related difficulties (including losing my website guru!) made this a longer pause than anticipated. It was not all holiday time!
Here’s a brief report on the trip: We traveled through 18 counties in the Republic, and two in the North (Fermanagh and Tyrone) as we visited 43 – yes, 43 (counting kids) – relatives. The weather was what we always expect in Ireland: it rained for a part of every day.
We flew into Shannon and drove first to visit some cousins in Cork, then up to Tipp for a few days (in Clonmel), and then to Kilkenny and through Carlow to meet some cousins at Glendalough. These cousins live in Wicklow and will be able to watch the Tour de France pass by from their front porch! (Tour de France starts in Ireland this weekend.)
From Wicklow we went to Dublin (visited Phoenix Park for the first time, home of the Irish president and the USA ambassador) and then spent a long afternoon driving from Dublin to Sligo. Spent the weekend in Sligo, including a jaunt into the North (and a mandatory stop at Belleek, which I didn’t realize was in the North). (Also made our mandatory stop at Tipperary Crystal a few days earlier.)
In the North, visited Enniskillen and decided the only difference between the Republic and Northern Ireland is the color of the mailboxes (green in the RoI vs. red (Royal Mail).
Also, police facilities in the North are heavily protected with wire and cameras.
After a delightful weekend in Sligo, where the sun sets over the Atlantic around 10:45 PM, we headed south again. Passed through Knock, where Our Lady and Pope John Paul II have visited, and stopped briefly in Galway, home of my paternal grandmother. She wasn’t there!
Back to Cork for two more days of visits, including a day-trip to West Cork, home of many Murnanes. Dinner in Skibbereen at the West Cork Hotel.
Then back to Tipp and dinner and lots of fun in a good pub with cousins in Cahir, just in the shadow of the Galtee Mountains. This is the SOURCE for me and we spent the night at the family homestead in Cappauniac, just outside Bansha, with cousins. When we awoke, the wide-open drapes showed the sun over the Galtees – the same view my great-great-grandfather would have had 170 years ago.
So the trip was definitely a success. My seventh visit to Ireland since 1990. Can’t wait for the next one!
Ed Murnane
Emurnane@murnane.org
July 10, 1998
Visit To Murnane Bay In Australia?
(Response to posting from Gerry McDonald)
Gerry,
I have just seen your message on the Murnane's Bulletin Board about your mother's trip to Australia in late 1998. You may have had responses from others in Australia who have more information than I have; however for what it's worth, here's my contribution.
I'm afraid Murnane's Bay is a long way from Sydney and even further from Cairns. Murnane's Bay is on the south coast of Victoria (the coast of Bass Strait, not the Pacific Ocean) near the town of Warrnambool, about three or four hours drive from Melbourne. If your mother has time to visit Victoria it is a very interesting drive along the Great Ocean Road and/or through the Western District to Warrnambool.
I've just learned from the information about Victorian Murnane's on the website that my grandfather was born at Allansford, which is a few miles from Warrnambool. He is descended from one of six Murnane brothers who came to Australia from Ireland in the early 1800's, three as convicts and three as free settlers. I presume Murnane's Bay is named after one (or all) of these brothers.
I hope your mother has a wonderful time while she's here. Please feel free to contact me if there is anything more I can help you with. My email address is pittman@saas.unimelb.edu.au
Ann Pittman (nee Murnane)
pittman@saas.unimelb.edu.au
July 10, 1998
First Murnane Connection In Africa – and a New Addition!
Hi,
Just discovered this great site and will talk more later. I'm Frank Murnane and reside in Port Shepstone, South Africa. I came here from Nenagh, County Tipperary eleven years ago. The latest Murnane arrived June 28, 1998, a wee lass Jennifer Louise, to myself and my wife Carola (German Namibian). The tree has a new leaf!
Frank Murnane
murnane@iafrica.com
July 10, 1998
Arizona Murnanes (formerly New York) Say Hello
Hello,
Just want to fill you in on the Murnanes in Arizona, originally from Brooklyn N.Y. My Name is Kenneth F. Murnane, my father is William John Murnane. He was born in Brooklyn in 1924 His father was William Joseph Murnane and mother was Doris Iadarola. Grandparents are Patrick Murnane and Margaret Curry. This is as far back as we know Patrick's parents were from Cork.
Can anyone who can fill in the blanks? I Also have Two brothers, Michael W. Murnane, now living in San Diego California, and James P. Murnane in Arizona, and a sister, Patricia K. Carter, nee Murnane, in Arizona.
Ken and Edie Murnane and Father William.
AZKANDE@worldnet.att.net
July 10, 1998
Lynne Murnane In Oklahoma (Limerick Connections) Says Hello
Thank you for continuing to send me updates. I do appreciate them, and am acutely conscious that I haven't sent you the history of my family. My husband, who is a Darcy, has been the diligent compiler of it. My people are from County Limerick, specifically Kilmallock and Bruree. This one's pretty easy for me to know because my grandparents were immigrants. If you can let me know where to send my stuff, I'll be glad to do so, this adding to the store of Murnane information.
Lynne Murnane
lcm@okway.okstate.edu
July 10, 1998
New Information On John Murnane of Massachusetts
I have just found that my grandmother's first cousin, Annie Kingston, married a John Murnane. They lived in Somerville, MA. Annie was born in the 1860's and died in 1927. It looks as if a John Murnane, her son, was the informant so perhaps her husband had died. Do you have these names in your database by any chance?
Jan Fortado
Janfortado@aol.com
July 10, 1998
Trip Home To Limerick For Chris Dee
Delighted to get your trip update! You sure traveled and you hit my favorite spot as well, the area surrounding the Galtees. Many is the time I sat on ditches and in fields as a lad coming home from school in East Limerick and stared at the Galtees thinking about all those "wild raparees" and patriots of times gone by who sheltered there. What a wonderful place!
Happily, I leave for East Limerick on a 2 week holiday once again this coming Friday. I note with some amazement that I come from a place called Ceapanaic, similar to your townsland name. Our Ceapanaic is in a place called Murroe, which is very near Oola, Co. Limerick, right on the Tipperary border, not that far from Bansha.
Anyway. Glad you had a great trip. Thank you for the update, which I really enjoyed.
Chris Dee
SMYRNIAN@aol.com
July 10, 1998
Information About Murnan Reunion in Greenfield Indiana?
Hello!
I am looking for any information regarding the Murnan Reunion for Hancock County and Shelby County (Indiana) area Murnans. I have heard of a reunion held each July in Greenfield, Indiana, but I am unaware of the date, location and time. Any assistance is appreciated!
Melissa Murnan Acher
acher@wcic.cioe.com
July 10, 1998
A Connection Has Been Made!
Congratulations on a wonderful site! I am writing for my cousin (not on the web) who is the lady that Father Rochford was trying to find in his posting of August 1, 1997. She is Dolores Murnane LENTZ. I am helping her research her Murnanes who came from Patrick, born about 1843 in Emly. He married Mary Sullivan in 1866 and had John (1867); John(1868); Mary(1868); Patrick(1869); Michael(1870); Mary(1873); Thomas(1875); and Catherine(1877).
Michael settled in York, Pennsylvania, and his brothers also settled in Pennsylvania, in Harrisburg, Middletown and Steelton. I see few postings for Pennsylvania lines that could come down from John, Patrick or Thomas.
Are there any descendants out there??
Also interested in going backwards from Patrick. Was curious in one mention of early (1700s) wills for Emly and Cashel and wonder if children are mentioned. Again, just a super creation and how exciting to find so much of interest for Dolores. I will try to e-mail Father Rochford directly as well.
Elaine Massena in White Plains, N.Y.
DPRW63B@prodigy.com
July 10, 1998
Sandra Murnane Has Been Located, and Contacted
Thanks so much for putting my message on your board, since the time that I contacted you, we have found that yes, Sandra Murnane does exist and that most of the information on the adoption papers is correct.
The differences are: Sandra's father and mother are George and Katherine Murnane, both deceased. Sandra has brother's John, George Jr. and Robert or "Bob".
We also have found that George Jr. and John are quite possibly deceased. Sandra has a daughter named Christina O'Malley who was born in 1959; Christina's father is Dennis O’Malley. Do you have the above family in your genealogy?
And a Later Message….
We have found the Sandra Murnane that we were looking for Thanks so much for all of your help. Now, one more favor. A lady named Jan Crowe from Australia sent me an e-mail about this message and I told her I would let her know if I found Sandra. I have lost her address. I know that it was at aus.net and that her husband’s grandmother was a Murnane. Would you have her e-mail address? Thanks ever so much for your help. I do appreciate it and so does Toney. By the way, he and I talked to his mother and to his youngest sister(he has 3 sisters and one brother) and it was wonderful!!
Robin Bell
Lucy13bell@aol.com
July 10, 1998
A New Aussie Connection With Tipperary and Clare Roots
I am writing to you to maybe find out a little more about part of my family history. My grandfather's mother was Bridget Murnane (later to become Sheales when she married). She was born in Australia to Patrick and Mary Murnane (nee O'Malley). Her father Patrick was born in County Tipperary in 1817, and from the records I have, he was
convicted out to Australia as a young man, and put into the service of the Governor of Tasmania. My records say "The Lady Governor had pity on him and, during one of the Governor's visits to the mainland, dressed him in a suit of the governor, equipping him with a bell-topper hat and a cane, warning him not to speak to anyone at the port or on the ship on it's way to Port Philip".
After arriving in Melbourne, he went to live with his cousin, a Hugh Murnane (apparently later Sir Hugh Murnane, a lawyer). It was here that Patrick met, and later married Mary O'Malley (an orphan sent to Australia from County Clare). They had twelve children
(including my great grandmother, Bridget) and settled in Redbank (near Avoca). Patrick Murnane died of a kidney disorder on Christmas Day, 1891. I have some limited information on his children (however only for eight of them: John, Maggie, Kit, Winifred, Bridget, Patrick, Sarah and James).
I hope this information is of interest to you, and I look forward to the possibility of being able to find more information about my ancestors and possible relatives.
I can be contacted at my email address, ksheales@hotmail.com
Kate Sheales
ksheales@hotmail.com
May 8, 1998
And Our Paul Murnane In Sydney Has Some Information!
Kate, we do indeed know quite a lot about your Murnanes and we appear to be related. The relevant source for full information is Mrs. Joan Finlayson, 57 Gladstone Rd, Briar Hill, Victoria, Australia 3088. Unfortunately only snail mail for Joan.
Briefly we understand your Patrick Murnane came out here on the convict ship "London" in about 1851 and escaped with the help of theTasmanian Governor's wife (who knows what their relationship was!) - he worked as a convict gardener for the Governor. There doesn’t appear to be any marriage certificate for Patrick and Mary O'Malley and also each child was birth registered with slightly varying parents’ names, as if Patrick was trying to avoid recapture. . Hugh Murnane, Patrick's younger brother, came out here later, had a 24 years age difference to Patrick, suggesting a second marriage by his father in Ireland. As far as we know Hugh was not a lawyer nor was he knighted but Joan can give you far more details. Interestingly there was another Patrick Murnane on the same
ship ( and also from Tipperary ) that your Patrick was on - this other Patrick stayed on in Hobart and apparently up owning a few hotels and becoming quite prosperous. You have Murnane relatives in Melbourne, ironically including another Paul Murnane, a detective in the Victoria police who I have never met (and maybe don’t want to, professionally speaking!) and a James Murnane, in the Melbourne transit police - I believe both of
these have copies of all Joan's research.
I know Joan will be able to help a lot more and I have told her to expect your contact.
Thanks for the e-mail - its a reminder to Ed Murnane and me that we should put your Murnane group onto the Murnane family website – the problem is the Murnane groups keep proliferating and we are discovering new separate groupings all the time. Good luck in your family researches.
Paul Murnane
pmurnane@compuserve.com
May 8, 1998
Tim Murnane Makes Contact With Andover Murnanes
(Tim Murnane of New Jersey, one of our most active researchers, has been trying to establish contact with the Andover, Massachusetts branch of his family for some time; he has finally succeeded, as he shares the following e-mail message.)
Timothy,
My name is Jennie Murnane and I am from Andover, Massachusetts. I am 19-years-old and have twin brothers, Charles and Patrick. They just turned 17. I have an older sister whose name is Anne. She will be 25. My father’s name is Charles Henry Murnane III.
I was curious when you said your dad had relatives that live in Andover. The only Murnanes that live in Andover are all related: my dad’s Uncle Jack, who lives down the street from us, and his son, Mike Murnane.
Please e-mail me at JLM246@hotmail.com
I am very interested in hearing from you.
Jennie Murnane
JLM246@hotmail.com
May 8, 1998
Mornane Connection: Ireland to Chicago
I just stumbled across your website and was very impressed. I'm hoping you might be able to help me out by posting an entry on my Mornane ancestors. Ellen Mornane married Michael C. Hartney and emigrated from Ireland to Chicago (via New York City) during the Famine.
Michael emigrated in 1849 and initially appears without Ellen in Chicago. Ellen emigrated later the same year, but doesn't show up in Chicago for several years. It seems possible that she stayed with relatives in New York for awhile before joining her husband in Chicago, especially since my great grandfather, Michael Patrick Hartney, was said to have been born in New York circa 1849, but raised in Chicago. Ellen's last name is usually listed as Mornane, but occasionally as Murnane. I have reason to believe both Ellen and Michael were from Limerick, but am not certain. I have been unable to find reference to any relatives of Ellen Mornane, in the U.S. or Ireland. Can anyone help???
Ann Hartney
hartney_a@fortlewis.edu.
May 1, 1998
Maryland Murnanes Check In
I was really impressed with your web site. I am interested in doing research on the origins of my family. My name is Michael Andrew Murnane. I was born in Baltimore, Maryland on January 3, 1966. My father was Thomas Francis Murnane, born January 28, 1938 in Scranton, Pennsylvania to Harold Bernard Murnane (I think my father's father died when my father was very young so I never met my grandfather). I have a brother Mathew Thomas Murnane who works for my cousin, Harold Bernard Murnane III, who is the son of my father's brother Harold Bernard Murnane II (currently residing in sunny Florida).
I wish you continued success in your endeavor to track down all of the Murnane clan. I will be happy to share any information that I have or come by with you.
Michael A. Murnane
michael_murnane@cmsinc.com
April 24, 1998
11-year-old Genealogist Davelyn Murnane
I am a Murnane who lives with my step-father in Maryland. I am originally from Red Lion, Pennsylvania. My name is Davelyn Murnane I am 11 years old and I stumbled across your web page while at work with my step father. I am also very interested in my family history. I like the coat of arms.
Davelyn Murnane
April 24, 1998
Murnanes from Newmarket-on-Fergus,
County Clare in New York
Hello.
My name is Jay Murnane and I live in upstate New York, in the city of Troy. I am a native of metropolitan New York City. Our family descends from Patrick Joseph Murnane, my paternal grandfather, who was born in Newmarket-on-Fergus, County Clare. My grandfather left Ireland at the end of the 19th Century, and married Margaret Moriarty in New York City.
Their children were John (Jack), my father and Margaret (Peg), my aunt. Grandpa Murnane's two sisters, Margaret and Eleanor, also came to the United States and married James Naughton and Patrick Callaghan, respectively. Grandpa Murnane's brother, Sean, stayed in Ireland, joined the IRA, and was imprisoned in Mountjoy Jail in Dublin during the 1917 "rising of the moon".
Sean married Mary and they had three children: Margaret, John and Patrick. Patrick emigrated to the USA after his ordination following studies at Maynooth, and serves as a pastor today in Florida. My father married Lillian Dennedy (daughter of Patrick Dennedy of County Sligo) in 1936. My sister, Patricianne Murnane, lives in Manhattan.
I am married with Mary Theresa Streck and live in Troy, New York.I would be interested in hearing from anyone who might have connections to this family. What a wonderful surprise to find this web site!
Jay Murnane
murnaj@rpi.edu
March 27, 1998
We forwarded Jay's note to one of our Upstate New Yorkers, Tim Murnane, and this is Tim's reply to Jay:
Jay,
When my wife Mary and I were in Ireland in 1987 we had the opportunity of meeting a wonderful Murnane by the name of Rita who was from Newmarket-on Fergus. According to my wife (whose mind is much better than mine on certain things,) she thinks Rita is the sister of one Father Patrick Murnane who is currently the Pastor of "The Church of the Nativity" Roman Catholic Church in Hollywood, Florida. He is about 60 years old.
While staying in Fort Lauderdale several weeks ago we drove down to this church to see if we could meet Father Murnane. Unfortunately, he was not at the church that day, so we lost an opportunity to make a new contact with another Murnane While in Fort Lauderdale we attended Mass a number of times in another Catholic Church called St. Helen's. On the front of this church is a plaque stating that this church was founded by Father Patrick Murnane.
My understanding is that Father Murnane came directly from Dublin to a parish in Florida, andeventually became pastor of St. Helen's and then the Church of the Nativity.
Jay, Is this the priest that you mentioned?? A friend of ours (Father Michael Hoyer) originally from Haverstraw, New York, and now a pastor at Our Lady Queen of Martyrs Church in Fort Lauderdale, was stationed under Father Murnane at St. Helen's about 17 to 19 years ago. He spoke very highly of Father Murnane. Father Murnane must have done well with Father Hoyer, because now he is a pastor too.
Tim and Mary Murnane
TMurnane77@aol.com
March 27, 1998
Any Murnane-Kingston Connections From West Cork?
Have you ever come across any Kingston connection to the West Cork branch? I have just learned that my grandmother's uncle, Sam Kingston, who married Mary Daly, had a daughter, Nancy Marnane/Murnane, who lived in Charlestown, Massachusetts.
I have not learned her husband's name yet. My grandmother was Ellen Mahony. My Kingstons and Mahoneys come from the parish of Drimoleague and Caheragh in West Cork.
Jan Fortado
Janfortado@aol.com
March 27, 1998
Information on Margaret Marnane of Henry, Illinois?
I have a Margaret Marnane in my family line and all I know about her is from her headstone in Henry, Illinois (Marshall County). Was wondering how I could find out more about her. You can see her listed on my family genealogy website
http://www.mindspring.com/~kandiandi/harney.htm
She married Michael Harney, my great-grandfather. She was born in 1834 in Emly, County. Tipperary.
Kandi
kandiandi@mindspring.com
March 27, 1998
Any "Murn" Connections Out There?
Hello!
It's a great site you have. My family name is Murn and I have very limited information on my family history. Many in the family died young, and I have only one uncle left and he was the youngest and doesn't remember a whole lot.
We do think that the name was changed from Murnane to Murn during the trip over. Have you heard from other Murns???
Happy St. Patrick's Day to you. You have a great site and I will use it as a starting off point on my search!
Margaret Murn
Margaret.Murn@Schwab.COM
March 20, 1998
Dave Mornin Writes From New Zealand
Hi there,
My name is Dave Mornin and I reside in New Zealand. I was born in Scotland but I am a first generation Scot as my father was born in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. I know my Irish roots go back to the mid 18th Century in Ireland but as far as I am aware the spelling has nearly always, with a few exceptions, been spelt as I do now. However I am lead to believe that Murnane could be a variation of the spelling hence my communication with you.
Do you have anyone within your sphere who spells their name as I do as I am endeavouring to get documentary evidence further back than 1840 in Ireland, any information further back than this is unconfirmed.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Dave Mornin.
mornin@iconz.co.nz
March 20, 1998
And Another Mornin, Too!
Hello!
My name is Patrick Mornin. I reside in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. I have become involved in research of my family surname of Mornin and have located Mornins scattered about the globe.
Very recently in one contact, I was advised that the Mornin name was possibly associated with the surname Murnane in connection with a William Mornin who married a Bridget Lenard. They had allegedly immigrated from Ireland/Wales into the New York, USA area, then traveled west into the Ohio area (coal mining region).
Has the surname Mornin been a part of the history of the Murnane, to anyone's knowledge? Fragmentary information tends to show that the Mornin history is centered near the Giant's Causeway in County Antrim, by living cousins and by certain anecdotal and written historical records.
Patrick Mornin
mpb651@primenet.com
March 20, 1998
Coincidence? Stroke of Good Luck?
The two "Mornin" notes arrived within ten hours of each other; I wrote to both, and sent copies of each to the other. This is one reply I have received:
Dear Ed,
Thank you for the quick response to my inquiry.
Regards Dave Mornin, he is a well known 'close' but possibly distant relative. We know each other quite well as I've hosted Dave and Sonya here in Phoenix and spent all of March 1997 visiting with them in New Zealand.
We are 'relatively' certain that his grandfather and my great-grandfather were either brothers or close cousins in the County Antrim area about 1825 or so. (Amazing physical resemblance between him and my father!) The lack of records seems to dictate a trip there later in 1999 for some local research.
I guess he and I were thinking along the same lines, but about 7,100 miles apart when we both sent a message to you.
Thanks for the Bulletin Board inquiry. I have seen Murnane extensively in the census records, but I have Mornin, Morning and Marnin as known family members dating back to the 1880 census in Ohio as well as an entry in a marriage record index from Ireland, cir. 1861.
Mornin and Murnane would seem to be sufficiently dis-similar that I rather doubt any connection might be there, but then, I certainly have been wrong before.
Patrick Mornin
Marnanes of Cappamore (Limerick) and Kingswell (Tipperary)
Hello! My name is Pat Lonergan, born in Tipperary, son of Bridget, nee Marnane. I found your fascinating page as a link from Tipperary Historical Society. Let me tell you what I know of my Marnanes.
My grandfather, Timothy Marnane of Cappamore, County Limerick, emigrated to Salt Lake City, Utah, in the closing years of the 19th Century. There he married Bridget Horan of Solohead, County Tipperary. Two children were born to them in the USA. In the early 1900s, they returned to Cappamore, and subsequently settled in Kingswell, near Tipperary town. Three additional children were born to them in Ireland.
Timothy died in 1927, Bridget in 1944; both are buried in St. Michael's Cemetery, Tipperary.
Their children were :
Timothy, born in Salt Lake City, 1902; ordained priest 1926; served in various parishes in the Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly; Parish Priest of New Inn, County Tipperary, 1953-1982. He died 1982 and is buried in New Inn.
Margaret, born in Salt Lake City; became a sister of the Presentation Order, (known as Sister Teresa). She died 1966 and is buried in the cemetery of Presentation Convent, Thurles, County Tipperary.
William, born in Cappamore; subsequently settled at Lattin, near Tipperary town. He married Norah Marnane; had three children, one of whom still lives at Lattin. He died in 1968 and is buried in St, Michael's Cemetery, Tipperary.
Johanna, born in Cappamore; after the family had moved to Kingswell, she married Patrick Duggan, and they resided at the family farm in Kingswell. They had six children, one of whom still lives at Kingswell. She died 1972 and is buried in St. Michael's Cemetery, Tipperary.
Bridget, born in Cappamore, 1911(my mother); married Patrick Lonergan of Kilfeacle, near Tipperary. She lived in Tipperary town and Kingswell and had four children (one deceased, none of the others currently living in Tipperary). She died 1989 and is buried in St. Michael's Cemetery, Tipperary.
A further connection of interest is that I am the second cousin of historian Des Marnane, whom I have known since we grew up in Tipperary town. His father John and my mother were first cousins. I have no information on my family beyond my grandfather, or or any of his siblings - one of whom must have been Des' grandfather.
I am currently on vacation visiting my daughter at Crotched Mountain, Greenfield, New Hampshire , from where this message comes. Because I am giving you the information above entirely from memory, it is incomplete as to dates; I have a little more information at home in Ireland. I work as a Librarian with the County Kildare Library Service, and can be contacted there at colibrary@kildarecoco.ie.
I am delighted to make your acquaintance.
Pat Lonergan
colibrary@kildarecoco.ie
March 13, 1998
Another Tipperary - Australia Connection Discovered!
Hi Ed, love your page. My husband's family is descended from Hugh Murnane and Mary Ann McNeill. Hugh was born in Tipperary and Mary Ann in Antrim. They were married February 21,1878 in St.Arnaud, Victoria, Australia and proceeded to have seven children.
** John Joseph married Johannah (Hannah) Jones in Gore,New Zealand in 1916
They had 8 children:
I have had considerable assistance from Jim Flahavin and Joan Finlayson in my research, particularly the indirect lines from Hugh and Mary Ann.They have been great.
I didn't realize that there so many Murnanes, especially in the United States. I have been corresponding with Ed Murnane who lives in Kernersville, North Carolina, for some years now, and even though he told me that there were more Murnanes in the USA than Ireland, it was still hard to believe. After viewing your bulletin board, I am now a firm believer.
If I can be of help to anyone, please contact me, Catherine at cmurnane@collins.rockwell.com
Catherine Murnane
cmurnane@collins.rockwell.com
March 13, 1998
Any Marrinan Connections?
I located your web site on the Murnane/Marnane families. I, too, have been trying to research the Marrinan family, but have come up with little.
Here's what I do know:
These are the children of Clyde Lull Marrinan Jr. and Margaret Eloise White-Marrinan:
These are the children of Clyde Lull Marrinan Sr. and Theresa Ann Gough-Marrinan:
These are the children of Joseph Edward Marrinan Jr. and (unknown) Stepsnick
His father was Joseph Edward Marrinan Sr.
Joseph's brother was John Marrinan,who was born around 1882. He is listed on the alumni list of University of Notre Dame, South Bend, Indiana in 1900 & 1901. He was a fireman in Oklahoma City 1903-1910.
Supposedly, according to family stories, these two brothers emigrated from the south part of Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada, then to St. Joseph, Missouri.I do not know if there is a Chicago connection.
I have not found any records that link this Marrinan family to the New York Marrinans.
I would be interested if you have anything with any of these names. By the way, my husband pronounces Marrinan as Mare-nun, accented on the first syllable. Until I read your website, I just thought it was lazy speech, but now I see the connection!
Thank you for your informative research on the Murnane/Marnane families.
Jayna Marrinan
marrija@quincy.edu
March 6, 1998
Murnans of Indiana and Kentucky
I found the Murnane home page while searching Cyndi's List for genealogy information. Are you familiar with the Murnan name as a branch off of the name Murnane? If yes, what about Murnans in Indiana or Kentucky?
I have reviewed the information from your Bulletin Board. The Murnans from New York seem to have arrived later than some of the Murnans I have found reported to have lived in Maryland during Revolutionary times, then migrating to Indiana and Kentucky around the 1800's.
I have discovered a large gap in information between early to mid-1800's to World War II era. I and my immediate family are originally from Shelby County, Indiana. My great-grandfather, Alex Murnan, and his father, Ruben Murnan, lived near Hancock and Shelby Counties in the late 1800's to early 1900's. I'm missing much information and I'm really beginning my search to find where these Shelby County area Murnans actually came from.
I plan to dig further and may report information back to you periodically. If you run across any other Murnans, please let me know. My grandfather, George William Murnan, says other Murnans are calling and writing him constantly. He doesn't know how to help these individuals search as likewise with me. He only has memories and states that not much is on paper from his relatives.
I have information on my family tree which has some of the original name derivatives (i.e., Manannian, O'Murnane) you have mentioned.
I hope to discover more and report the info at our annual "Land-Murnan Reunion" in July. Attendence is dwindling steadily.
I hope to be in touch with you again with better information to post on the Bulletin Board.
Melissa Murnan Acher
Acher@wcic.org
March 6, 1998
More Info From Nuala Murnane (Limerick Connection)
Thanks for your message. I have a sister Moira who lives in Castleconnell, near Limerick. She has three children ages 24, 23 and 16. My brother John died tragically in 1990 and he had two boys ages 21 and 19. I have one son, Kevin aged 21. I still have one uncle Gus living in Limerick. He is 87. I will send any further information I can get from my sister as I receive it. Will be in touch. Thanks for your interest.
Nuala Murnane Gilchrist
nuala@peterboro.net
February 20, 1998
Looking For Anne Murnane, Lived In Venezuela
I am curious to find Anne Murnane. She is in her early 40's and is bilingual, speaking English and Spanish. She was raised in Venezuela by her parents, who were U.S. expatriates working in Venezuela. I knew her in Maracaibo, Venezuela, in 1975-1977, where she was my secretary. At the time she was married to Carlos Viegas. I believe they divorced and she may have returned to reside in the U.S.A. Her brother is, I believe, William J. Murnane, a Ph.D. anthropologist or archaeologist who studies Egypt. He is currently a professor at the University of Memphis.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
"BBOLOCK"
bbolock@computron.net
February 27, 1998
Although I have seen Professor William Murnane's name, and have seen some of his publications, I am not personally familiar with any links or connections with him or his branch of the Murnane clan. Maybe your inquiry will generate some links.
Looking For Information On Catherine Murnane Ryan of Limerick
Hello, I have a Catherine Murnane who I believe to be the mother of my great-great-grandmother, Jane Ryan, christened February 20, 1829 at St Mary's in Limerick City. Jane bore a son, Michael Leary to one Patrick Leary in February, 1847. Michael was also christened at St Mary's in Limerick. He went on to live a good life in the UK. I am now attempting to prove/disover more about Catherine who was married to a Richard Ryan. Are they in your data base?
Mike Cairns
ALIMASJID@aol.com
February 27, 1998
Great-grandson of Kate Murnane of County Limerick
I am from Murroe, County Limerick (next to Cappamore) and now live in New York. Great
Web Page! I am not a Murnane but I do have a good family connection to point to. I also seem to recall some family of that name from around Cappamore when I was growing up in Murroe; I think they lived in the village proper but I am unsure; it is a long time ago.
I am now living in New York 31 years but I still love Cappamore and Murroe and I get back there as often as I can. My name is Christopher Kevin Dee. There are quite a few of us Dee's in Cappamore and Murroe (all related). (While I was growing up in Murroe I was called Noel Dee, later changed to my proper baptismal name of Christopher when I came here). One of my brothers owns a pub in Cappamore.
Here is my family connection:
Christopher Dee
SMYRNIAN@aol.com
February 27, 1998
Any Mornin Connections Out There?
Am I adding a new spelling for Murnane?
My Great-great-grandparents were William Mornin and Bridget Lenard, born in Ireland.
They landed in New York and found their way to Stark County, Ohio, settling first near Canton/Massillon and later in Akron, Summit County. Is Galway out of the question for a Murnane (Mornin)? I recall having heard that they came from Galway.
They had a son Michael, born July, 1852, who married Sarah Davis of Cwmback, Wales, born 1859. She emigrated in 1869 and married Michael in 1879. There are still Mornins in Akron and surrounding areas. The name has gone thru several changes, the previous spelling being Marnin.
I have corresponded with cousins in the Phoenix area and New Hampshire. If anyone can extend my line I would appreciate it.
Gary Radcliffe
glradcliffe@earthlink.net
February 27, 1998
Murnane-Donohue Connection
My family is from Ireland and they are the Murnanes, and the Donohues, not to be confused with Donahues. My grandma came over and gave me a small family tree and she said that my great-great-grandfather was from Limerick and Tipperary. My grandma's name is Ellicia Murnane Kleuser. And it was my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather named Tom Murnane and Ii think he was born in Limerick and then moved to Tipperary, then moved to London.
Charlie Kleuser
CKBIGDOG@aol.com
February 20, 1998
Just Saying Hello
Clicked on to your web site for fun. Am really impressed with you design. My clan is O'Dahill or just Dahill. They started in Tipperary and settled in northern Cork. Very small clan. I have been active as well in searching out connections. We are not connected but just wanted to to wish you well in your search for connections.
Ted Dahill
Coronado, California
OLROTOR@aol.com
February 20, 1998
Murnane Connections In Wisconsin, Indiana and Illinois
My name is McShane Murnane. My father is Michael Murnane, his father was Tom, he died of polio when my father (Mike) was 12. My grandmother remarried and so I know little of that side of the family. Anyway, my grandmother is now Sonya Westfall, oiginally Murnane. Together they had my father, he is the oldest, Kevin, Shauna and Pat, they were all born and raised in Indianapolis.
My father married Yvonne (Murnane) Janick and had myself and Riley. Currently they live in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Riley is 15.
My father was born in 1944, my mother in 1947. I don't know when my grandfather was born.
My Grandmother, originally Sonya Schlee, (German) was born in 1920 in Indianapolis; she is 77 and lives in Florida.
I was born in 1972 in Carbondale, Illinois, and am the oldest of all the grandchildren. That putsme at 25, althoughI feel like, ooohhh, 22. Anyway my father's side of the family is quite intersting.
As I said my Grandfather (Tom Murnane) died early, at something like 35, in the mid-1950s. My grandmother with 4 children remarried to Russell Westfall. (My grandmother and Tom actually had two other children, Tim and Kathy, both died as young children). Russell brought in to the family two children from a previous marriage, Jim and Bill Westfall.
That puts us, from oldest to youngest, at Jim, Mike, Bill, Kevin, Shauna and Pat. All the children kept their original surnames except Pat who legally changed his name to Westfall. He has since changed it back to Murnane. Sonya and Russell then had two other children, both came whilemy grandmother was in her 40's, these two were Robert and Amy. So togetherthere are 8 Westfall/Murnane's.
My brother and I were raised in Milwaukee and Green Bay, My Brother is in high school in Green Bay. My parents still live there today. I attended the University of Minnesota, studying architecture, and am now working on a Masters in architecture at the University of Illinois soI can practice. I live in Champaign during the school year and work in Skokie, Illinois, a northern suburb of Chicago, during breaks.
I hope this is helpful to you.
McShane Murnane
rmurnane@students.uiuc.edu
February 6, 1998
McShane,
Thanks for all the useful information; I'm sure someone will make a connection. We've had some contact with your parents a few months ago.
Greetings From A Tipperary Native
Greetings from Savannah, Georgia.
Came across your page while browsing Tipperary Historical Society pages. I am a native of the Tipperary town area - some six miles from the town. I know Des Marnane. He is a wonderful person. A great historian. While growing up at home on the farm, we had a neighbour named Bill Marnane. Good luck in your search.
Just wanted to let you know that I know Des Marnane. I have been in Georgia for the past 31 years - and I go back to Tipperary for vacation each summer or at least every other summer.
William O. O'Neill
Wooneill@aol.com
February 6, 1998
William,
Thanks for your note. Des Marnane's early Tipperary research has been helpful to many historians and genealogists.
Nuala Murnane, Limerick Native, Now In Canada Says 'Hello'
Hi,
Just reading your web page. My name is Nuala Murnane, born Limerick, Ireland. My father's family were from Limerick but moved to Kilkee, County Clare, where they had a pub and grocery store. He returned to Limerick as an adult and I was born there. I have been living in Canada since 1971 and of late I have been checking for other Murnanes in North America.
I have already got the coat of arms on a plaque (got it in Dublin a few years ago. My grandfather was Frank Marnane but the name was changed in my dad's lifetime to Murnane. I have no knowledge of Frank Marnane's brothers but have a suspicion some of them went to the U.S. as I know my dad used to write to people there.
Nuala Murnane
nuala@peterboro.net
January 30, 1998
Hi Nuala!
Thanks for making contact with us. It is nice to hear from you.
I hope you can send us more information about your family, including birth dates, uncles, grandfather, etc., to add to our growing file. Do you have any brothers and sisters? We'd love to hear more from you -- and thanks again for making contact.
Looking for Parents of Patrick Murnane,
Son of Cornelius; Born 1859
Hi,
I'm hoping that someone can point me in the right direction. I am stuck on my Murnane line and not quite sure which way to go from here.
I am looking for the parents of Patrick Murnane who was born in Ireland I do not know where. All I can find for info is his father was Cornelius. Patrick was born in September of 1859. His mother was Margaret (?). Local records, LDS, and Family Tree Maker have nothing else. Any suggestions as to where to turn next? or for and an agent to look it up would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lisa
ljurgilewi@aol.com
January 23,1998
Hi Lisa,
We'll put this message on the Bulletin Board and hope someone responds. Unfortunately, Patrick and Cornelius were pretty common names in the Murnane clan so it may be hard to zero in on the right family.
Still Looking For Connection To Idaho Murnanes
Hi,
I am revisiting your site after being away too long with a malfunctioning computer!
I previously sent a posting to your site in October, 1997. My Murnane family settled in Idaho, working as miners in Quartzberg. I have only come across one other posting here with a reference to a Eugene Murnane.
When I located my Murnanes in the 1880 Idaho census, there was also a William Murname (probably a misspell) who lived around the corner. He was most likely Eugene's brother, as their ages were similar.
In Eugene, Oregon there is a "Murnane Guest House" which is named after a "Monsignor Murnane". I have not been able to get any further information about him, and will have to visit the location next time I'm in Eugene. It is affiliated with the local hospital there, and serves as a place for the families of long-term patients to stay.
My grandmother, Marguerite, will turn 96 years old this month, and it is her interest and lack of knowledge about her family tree that sparked my interest in the Murnane lineage. She says "We just didn't ask questions back then."
So hopefully she will live as long as it takes for me to locate Eugene & Julia HAYES Marrinane in Ireland, so that I can give her even more history on our roots!
Thanks for the great web page! It is full of great information!
Julia RICHARDS Alexander
julbrbwing@aol.com
January 23, 1998
Hi Julia,
Here's hoping someone out there will be able to provide some help.
Robert Murnane's Granddaughter Says Hello
My name is Kristen Bolzenius. I am the granddaughter of Robert T. Murnane. I happened upon this web page and recognized some of the names. Do you know if this Murnane family is my Murnane family? We are descendants of Ireland, but I don't know much about our family history? Can you give me any information?
Thank you very much!!!!
Kristen Bolzenius
BOLZEN4@aol.com
January 9, 1998
Hi Kristen,
Well, we can try -- but please send us some additional information about your grandfather, if you can, such as dates of birth/death, places he lived, brothers, sisters, etc.
Matthew Murnane in Florida Says Hello
Hello, my name is Matthew Joseph Murnane. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida.
Matthew Murnane
crestan@webtv.net
January 9, 1998
Hi Matt,
Nice to hear from you.
Another New York (now Atlanta) Murnane Family Checks In
I found your web site with great interest and would love to know if you know anything about my line of the Murnane family. Our side of the family has been in the New York City area for about three generations. I am George ("Peter") Murnane III, born in New York City in 1958 and have three sisters, Alexandra Murnane Hillyer (1959, and now in Atlanta, Georgia), Marianna Murnane Smith (1963, and in Long Island, NY) and Edith Murnane (1964, and in Boston, Massachusetts).
We are the children of George Murnane Jr. (1917-1992) and Mary McDonnell Murnane (1929). My father was born in Glen Ridge, New Jersey to George Murnane Sr. (~1890-~1965) and Edith Pinkney Murnane and lived in New Jersey for a short time before moving to Long Island.
My father had one sibling, John Pinkney Murnane (1919-1942). My grandfather was born in Brooklyn, New York where his father, William, lived. My grandfather had two sisters, Florence and Jean, neither of whom ever married. I currently live in Atlanta, having just moved down from New York, and am married to Gretchen Alexander Murnane. We have two children, George IV (1992) and Anna-Barlow (1996).
As you can see, my son and I are the last of my side of the Murnane family for quite a few generations. Any information that you might have on my branch of the family would be greatly appreciated.
Peter Murnane
gmurnane@iasgroup.com
January 9, 1998
Hi Peter,
Thanks for contacting us. We'll add your message to our Bulletin Board and hopefully some of our researchers will recognize a name or two and get in touch with you.
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